Game of Thrones – A Man Without Honor
by deerinthexenonarclights

What’s in a name? Given how important names are in the world of this show, how much having this one or the other affects your stance, position and fate as well as your family ( and how much the fans revolt over the changing of them), it’s funny how the names given to episodes are almost always irrelevant, or rather imprecise. Ghost of Harrenhal for example would apply more to this one than the last: there was that thrilling talk of the halls history had by Arya and her replacement patriarch – one that evoked the exposition of the shows early days – and the frenzied search for the missing man behind the mysterious murder that both tie into it, whereas the actual episode didn’t connect at all. All of that to say that these titles are usually disposable, though this weeks was different; not only was it relevant but it really tied the room together.
The entire time that I was watching the episode I couldn’t stop from wondering to myself, “Who was the titular man”? Usually this question would be either blunt or rhetorical but here it had an innumerable amount of possible answers. See there are many men within this show and many of them are very, very bad, but the title is not The Dishonorable Dozen, there is one in particular to whom it does refer. Before I get to the answer I need to clarify something bad does not equate to dishonorable, nor does evil and that in a way was the point of the episode, as we shall see; but firstly we will deal with the man part and solve its mystery.
The first step of any good detective is to rule out the innocent, in so much as anyone in this show can claim to be. Xato Xanos Zultanexpialodocious attempts to be an honorable man because he is worried about what others will think of him, he hungers for people respect, though only up until the point where he has them killed; this though still shows some honour…I guess. Dany’s man on the other hand Jorah Mormont is madly in love with his Lady, so for her he acts and is honourable in spite of his any secrets. Jon Snow is off the list because he can think of no higher virtue than the eschewing of vice; when given the options of shouting at or sleeping with the sexy redhead in the arctic tundra he chose the former, which makes him a fool but an honourable one at that.
The Hound too is a man of honour, he shows it in the way that he serves his liege – he is instantly akin to Brienne here – but look at how: supporting a sociopath and killing babies, is there really honour in that? This evidence introduced the next mystery to my mind, though it is a much more metaphysical one. Should honour stand as the be all and end all? More than anyone else Ned Stark was a man with honour and look where that got him. If honour comes at the cost of freedom, as it does to Jon, then is it still something to be sought? What if it comes at the cost of conscience, like it does the Hound? At what cost should honour come, and should we wish it come at all?
Initially it seemed most likely that Theon Greyjoy would be the man of the title given his recent acts: betraying family, breaking sexual law, slaughtering innocents and suckerpunching subordinates, to name some. He has thrown aside all aspect of honour (though not humanity) in this sudden quest to shine in his fathers eye but look now at how that has worked for him. With each step down on his descent towards hell he has gained more and more power, not only has he taken Winterfell (defeating his old dad well and true) but in doing so in such a brutal fashion he has found the respect of him men. Theon Greyjoy has never stood stronger than he does now, he’s never been so ‘great’. Of course he will come to a reckoning and rather soon most likely, extreme actions always evoke extreme reactions, but for now these foggy morals favor him.
To take this talk to a meta level, Benioff and Weiss have been honouring the source material so far: sometimes strongly – “You know nothing” was namedropped – but at others they have broken their vows and changed words – those said by people and those said to represent a person, their names – and though they may be to many, for me these are not occasions of dishonor. The reality of fiction is that medium matters, different styles are required of different approaches and so sometimes flayed will be read as burnt for budget purposes, or changed to Jeyne for the sake of cohesion. Where you stand on this issue reflects strongly your stance on honour I would say. My say is that for this show to work the writers need to not be bound by arbitrary rules, they cannot claim chastity, but at the same time I expect the show to stay sane and orderly and to have a strong structure to its story. Where, I wonder, is the line?
If there is an answer given to that question within the episode then it is most likely to be found alongside the others in that incredibly important exchange between Jamie and his cousin. The squire soliloquy scene epitomizes everything that the episode has hinted at in regards to its theme and even tells us straight out that this shit-stained man is the same one we have been seeking all along: in essence the man of honour is beaten and bested by the man who is willing to do whatever he has to to get what he wants.
Honour, like love, is a weakness in the world of Westeros and maybe our own too. It’s a liability, it makes you linger a second longer before acting, it makes you less aware of the more dastardly dangers that surround you; though as always things here are not quite that simple. Though they may well be superior the dishonorable are a lonely and unloved people; Jamie escapes on his own and is as such caught by the mob, without even a second of on-screen freedom. The Stark sons though are loved for their righteousness, they have allies and through them their escape is made possible. The lack of honour is a strength, but seemingly only in the short term.
In the long term I think the show would do well to tie their names in more often because the result here was one of the most cohesive episodes that the show has delivered to date. That term though is another double-edged sword, for while there was nary a weak scene in sight there were also very few of those amazing ones that the show has made its name by; and the final reveal was a little naff. It came from out of nowhere given the way we jumped from only seeing Theon in the first half to that sudden shock and the answer to its twist is obvious though the question may not be. Overall it was an episode best served by its words, be them in the title or on the page; the speeches, banter, summary metaphors all made for great moments while the plot they existed within petered on of its own volition. This script set a standard and if it is one that the show can continue to honour then i may well quit whinging about it. That though is not a promise.
(Filth’s review can be found HERE)

I haven’t seen the episode yet, but expect my review to be uploaded as a comment underneath sometime over the next several hours.
I did a very light skim of your review, Vig- you mention the show’s level of faithfulness to the source material. Have you been reading, perchance?
No, but knowing is almost unavoidable. You hear the cries of anguished anal fans from here every time a minute detail is missed or morphed, like say the way in which the corpses are presented at the end.
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I actually thought this was the best episode so far this season and VV nailed it with his excellent review. The writing! From the humour of “hunting is just like riding so far” , the sarcasm of “since when do you light your own candles” and the Kingslayer’s reminisence about “Dead Ned” – it was all top stuff and rather enthralling. Unlike Filthy I dont get my kicks from the grand scene – the words remain much longer for me. A couple of suitably engaging scenes at the end also mean for the first time al lseason this one amy maove up in the rotation to numero uno come next Monday afternoon
Yeah, the writing was well done on a micro scale, something that it has been lacking for a while in favour of those more grander moments that you mentioned. I’m also with you on thinking that the tensest, most enthralling scenes are often those that just have two people talking and so i’m fine with the show taking the time to simply show that; though I think many are here for the results more than they are the machinations, the decapitations and not the deceit that lead to them.
I still think though that it is far and away only the second best show airing on a Sunday, and if Girls was an hourlong it may well take that title. I do watch it first though, but only because thats how it airs here.
Yeah yeah rub it in – we know where you are! Havent seen too many posts from you on Girls? Having the choice of what I watch first, at my leisure, it is MM – especially now that Housewives is finished…..
Well the thing about Girls is that it is so short and those snack sized pieces satisfy but never really leave you with anything to chew on. What more is there to say about it on a week to week basis? I’ll probably do a postscript after the finale though.
I would have thought a weekly update on whether the girls in NYC throw it about like they do on this show would suffice
Well all I can say is that they don’t seem to on the Upper East Side, or at least not at 1278 First. It must be different down in the village, that must just be where those kinds of girls all hang out. Now who was it that recommended that area to me again, I can’t seem to recall….
Probably someone who took a sheila with them I imagine. I thought yo uwere only interested in Museums and Coffee
You seem to have mistaken my statement, but then that’s probably for the best, it was a dishonorable one.
That fascination with caffeine paid off this morning though when a certain POTUS swaggered by in his motorcade, stopping to wave at a sign the barista was bearing that offered him a drink. I was there for the people watching, but I didn’t expect to see that.
Ahh so – yes the CLP suggested you head down to the village. I thought you were scouting Uptown
That POTUS gets around eh
Back on topic-
It’s not so much that I prefer grand scenes to talky scenes. I just like great scenes, no matter the content. I thought I would have communicated that when I raved about how brilliant I thought the scene with Jaimi’s extended conversation with his cousin was (along with my somewhat critical eye towards the more “action-based” massacre scene with Warlock Dean Pelton). I’m all for dialogue- I utterly adore “In Treatment”, for example- and I’d take Jaimi’s speech over the birth of a shadow baby anyway, but I just didn’t feel that there were enough great scenes in the episode (regardless of whether they were talk-y or action-y).
But yes, I did feel that it was structurally off. Great dialogue is wonderful and very important, but there is more to fantastic TV storytelling than just that in a show like this. Structure is just as important, and the conflicts and stakes just aren’t as sharply defined as they should be by this point. I mean, Tyrion is saying that Stannis is essentially right on the doorstep and that so much is at stake, but that isn’t ringing true for me at all. I think they should be showing that, not just telling it. If that’s wrong, then sue me.
I would’ve had less of a problem if some of this material had been in the first half of the season. It would’ve worked better structurally. For example, I utterly adored Eps 2 and 3 of this season which were VERY talk-y. Though I did feel that they were better installments than this one, so I’m not just criticising “A Man Without Honor” solely due to where it’s been placed in the season.
Bottom line though, definitely don’t mistake me for one of those “Me love explosions, hate chit-chat, f*ck 12 Angry Men, Transformers 3 for the win!” type of guys. That’s not me. If it was, then this wouldn’t be my favourite show on TV and I’d be off blogging about Spartacus instead.
And yes, I think the Jaimi scene will end up being one of the top 5 scenes of the season when all is said and done. Perhaps even top 3. It pretty much redeems the whole episode for me, but it still isn’t going to stop me from whinging about the rest of it.
Well I think all we were implying was that when it came to this show you might want something different; movies you have to be malleable for and go along with what you are given, but shows develop a certain style that you can hook into. If Mad Men were, for example, to do an episode based around an explosive battle it would no doubt draw the ire of a lot of its fans, just like an episode of GoT about Tyrion, Arya, Dany, Stannis and Jamie all stuck in a room would from its.
But if that’s not the case then it’s not the case; I do thoug find it strange that you would fault the structure of this episode in particular when to me it felt just as weird as all of those that came before it. Maybe it is because your palette is coming back towards the TV story as primary source, or maybe it is the additional material, or maybe you were just in a different mood. You’re not wrong, just strange that it would stand out now.
I do apologise for my over-reaction, I understand how obnoxious and overly-defensive/ reactionary I can often be in these sorts of discussions.
Anyway, I put some more thought into trying to more accurately explain my reaction to the episode-
Ok, I will admit that yes, it is partly the case that I do feel that an episode this late in the season should have more suspense and more clear stakes and focus. For example, it doesn’t really feel to me like Stannis’ fleet is almost on the doorstep as the characters say- and I think the creative team should really be somehow making that threat increasingly tangible and scary. Instead it felt like an afterthought in this episode, whereas it was really the main dramatic thrust of the book this season was based on (even moreso than Theon’s arc, I’d say). So the almost-”bottle episode” feel of this installment did throw me off a bit.
I felt like the episode should have had bigger concerns than showing Cersei’s guilt over Joffrey (just as an example). I felt those scenes between Cersei/Tyrion/Sansa would’ve been much more appropriate in “The Garden of Bones”, around the time when Joffrey bloodied the two prostitutes (or at least somewhere in the first half of the season). I even felt that the excellent Jaimi material should have been in an earlier episode. Whereas by now that stuff has diminished relevancy for me, other things should be taking precedence. For example, much of the focus in King’s Landing should now be on Cersei and Tyrion becoming increasingly hostile and manipulative towards each other (which is really important given what I know is coming up). So to instead have an episode where they were honest to each other and did a bit of genuine bonding as human beings was admittedly touching, but it felt really strange to me and at odds with what they need to be setting up right now.
There were more examples of alterations that really confused me (I had issues with how they’ve adapted the relationship between Sansa and The Hound, for example), but this post is already overlong as it is so I’ll let the rest of it be.
But what I’ve realised is that a lot more of my alienation from the episode has to do with my experience with the source material than I was previously aware of. More than ever I am aware that it is SO HARD for me to just watch the show as a separate entity from the books. And it is equally hard to just watch an episode as an episode, and not as a piece of a puzzle that needs to be adequately setting up what comes later. I’ve realised that this causes a whole lot of things to annoy me that probably wouldn’t annoy other viewers. I guess in a way I am one of those anal viewers that is too caught up with how the show compares in relation to the source material. I just can’t help it. Mind you, I don’t automatically dislike every change they’ve made. Of the many changes this season, it’s been about 50/50 for me in terms of which work better than the novel and which don’t.
In a way, having read the books does heavily compromise my ability to judge an episode on its own merits, and to judge the TV show just as a TV show. I still think I would’ve had some of the same issues with this ep even if I’d never touched the books, but it probably would have worked better for me overall if that had been the case.